Hmmm, where do I start, the nose or the tail.

If you define any sporting context, then the victors will employ the techniques and strategies which work best within the rule structure (or those they can just about get away with).
So if you put peole in a boxing ring, put boxing gloves on them, tell them they can kick, then it's going to look like Kick Boxing.
Tell them knees, elbows and clinching is allowed and it's going to look like Muay Thai.
All regardless of whether the people involved have trained wrestling, Tai Chi or Yellow Bamboo.

Having gloves on shouldn't stop you from being able to utilise specialised techniques found in CMA's.

To be able to employ techniques, or principles gleaned from Traditional CMA forms, you need the ability to recognise any attack for its true nature from its initiation.

It's called Ting Jin and Jie Jin. Listening and Intercepting.


If all you are taught, is;

"Throw a punch at me", followed by " I can do this, this and this" kind of thing, then this is what the whole "Aliveness" debate is really about.

Is that not what I was saying?
CMA students are not taught how to use what they learn from their forms. So how can they possibly apply these techniques? They cannot, so they revert to basic techniques.

A real attacker will not wait for you to Iron your Chi Kung, or gather Chi, nor will they tell you which hand they are going to hit you with and wait until you are ready.

A bit patronising there? I've said nothing about qigong here.

So it'd be reasonable to suggest that the only way to test your 'skill', is against someone who doesn't want to play along.

Absolutely. I'm all for live training. But in the CMA context, live training isn't just kickboxing techniques.

I don't see how twenty plus years training with a Mystical Master, sitting naked under a waterfall or lifting heavy weights with your testicles helps a great deal with that other than them wanting to steer clear of you because you are clearly mental.

I've not mentioned any of this. I'm trying to discuss why students do not seem able to apply their CMA techniques in combat. I'm not trying to discuss any of this nonsense.

In short, if you are at the stage where you can send any random attacker sailing into the gutter with a shrug of your shoulders, surely you should be smart enough to not be in that situation.
Indeed, if your level is so high, why not simply levitate out of harms way, or transfer yourself to the Astral plane.

Again, making foolish comments. I'm talking about genuine high level martial ability. Not any of this nonsense that you seem intent on bringing into the discussion.


Not a dig at you by the way BT.
I really enjoy Martial Arts, the study, the practice, the debate and philosophy etc.
I think it's all largely pointless and if people could just get over that, we'd all enjoy it a heck of a lot more.


I'm not sure you actually engaged in the topic at hand. Instead you insisted on making childish and irrelevant comments about wuxia style fantasy.