Bailu Taiji wrote:
GKR Kid wrote:

but my new one (Sensei Phil) is a 1st Dan and he can actually see the potential I have in karate. Hence, Sensei Phil has been teaching me much harder stuff and shooting me through the gradings.

And you don't think he might be saying "he can see your potential" in order to keep you('your money' ) coming to class on a regular basis?
And shooting you through your grades? Impressed, I am not.

You see, he is shooting me through my grades because I have become more advanced in karate compared to the other students. Ever since I was a white belt, I have been doing higher grade stuff which no-one else of a similar grade can do. I've known people to be a green belt for about a year whilst I've gone through 3 or so grades and overtook them. Everyone is different. I've put this down to my obsession with martial arts when I was little and tried to make my own style from movies I'd seen before I started GKR.

I think I kinda forgot to mention that before we do stretches, we do abit of jumping up and down on the spot to start off with. And don't worry, I don't feel hurt or insulted by everyone on this topic. I can't blame you if you hate something!

GKR Kid wrote:


but my new one (Sensei Phil) is a 1st Dan and he can actually see the potential I have in karate. Hence, Sensei Phil has been teaching me much harder stuff and shooting me through the gradings.
GKR.
If anything, a responsible Sensei will often 'hold back' a Student who has potential, as 'too much, too soon' is detrimental to long term development.



You see, he is shooting me through my grades because I have become more advanced in karate compared to the other students.
Does that appeal to you?
Do you want a 'fast track' through a process that takes many decades?

Ever since I was a white belt, I have been doing higher grade stuff which no-one else of a similar grade can do. I've known people to be a green belt for about a year whilst I've gone through 3 or so grades and overtook them.
Do you measure your skill on the colour of belt you wear?




I think I kinda forgot to mention that before we do stretches, we do abit of jumping up and down on the spot to start off with.
Sorry, but that's not good enough!
A warm-up works on all the muscle groups that will be stretched and tested during any further training.
A bit of 'bouncing' warms up the calves and frontal quads at best.
A balanced warmup would ensure all muscle groups, including those antagonistic were warmed up.
That'd involve running, or some well thought out circuit training.


And don't worry, I don't feel hurt or insulted by everyone on this topic. I can't blame you if you hate something!
It's not about 'hatred'.
There's old heads on here who know you aren't spending your time wisely.
You choose to ignore that, which of course, is up to you.
We can lead you to water, but not force you to drink.

Well what a thread! First of all may I say hello to you all as a new user. This forum came to my attention through a google search and this thread in particular caught my eye.
I am with GKR and feel a real need to respond to various comments made within your posts in an effort to clarify things a little more. Now don’t get me wrong we all have opinions and feelings about certain tings, what I have a problem with is outsiders reading through what we have here and forming their own opinion based on a number of inaccuracies, misunderstood or misread text. Permit me to address the areas that I have identified as needing clarification…

But first let me express my disgust over the strength of your heading for this thread. Dishonour is a very strong word and a very insulting accusation to everyone involved with GKR. I have to point out that our Regional Managers and those above them do train with various Masters in Japan – in fact our Chief Assistant Instructor was awarded 5th Dan by a Master in their style recently, so you must understand that techniques learnt or improved in Japan are always brought across and introduced into our style.

What first surprised me was reading that a previous student with the club had been told that he could not progress past 3rd kyu without becoming a Sensei. Whilst the individual may have been pushed to become an instructor once he got to this level, it is by no means restrictive if that does not happen since all grades can train at all classes.

Orange belt instructors are rare and I would go so far to say that I do agree with most of the comments made on here. However I will point out that any instructor does have to go to senior classes to receive training from the highest grades within the region. I don’t believe that a lower grade has the necessary knowledge or experience in the style to be able to teach, although they are strictly monitored and those that do not prove to be able to do what they are there for are quickly disposed of. A yellow belt instructor is not really heard of but to be fair again they are receiving the highest possible training whilst on the training programme. I do accept that this is still not really enough and no test of your ability in either the style or your teaching capability, so I am with you on that.

Our club is promoted directly in that we do not advertise since the best method of finding out what people need is by talking to them! Martial Arts are not just about defence, it is about development too and I am sure you all took up MA for different reasons. Our job as a club is to help people improve themselves lives by strengthening their weaknesses through karate – how could we identify that without talking to people face to face?!

We advertise through job centres sure and I see no difference in that respect to any other organisation advertising a vacancy. Our trainee instructors undertake rigorous training at the highest level and do NOT take a class until qualified to do so in all aspects.

I think the anagram idea about our name is amusing. I will have to ask the founder directly about this one and see what he says (I won’t tell him who I am though, just in case lol).

GKR is not for ‘hard core fighting’. Karate as we all know is based on self defence, so this statement just does not make sense.

‘You don’t need more instructors, you just need to bring those that you have to a level that qualifies teaching’. We do need more instructors since we all teach on a voluntary basis – the second part of the statement is absolutely right and I agree entirely, see point above.

There is a code of conduct, of course there is. We are a club dealing with the public. I do think that you have taken ours out of context though : it is there to ensure that we have the right people doing the job for us teaching wise. Do you not have a code of conduct?

Monthly contracted deposits? No idea what this is about since we have no contracts. The guys that knock on people’s doors are the instructors and therefore new students do get to meet them before they enrol. Again we have no contracts to sign as our training fees are paid per class.

Someone mentioned paying for insurance (allegedly you had trained with GKR for over 3 years). Again this is nonsense as insurance is included in the training fees.

Families of GKR jacket wearers does make us sound even more like a cult (which we are not…I don’t think?!) These jackets are Sensei jackets so I guess as with any other organisation there will be those that abuse the rules.

Assistant instructors don’t get screwed for fees if they have to teach for all or part of a class as their training is free.

I don’t understand the comment about there being no logical progression in the system regarding kata. The system is GKR and therefore has its own system. Our techniques are different to other styles in some areas – does that mean that other styles are missing out some of the stuff that we do? Of course not – a car with its light switch on the left is no less a car that one with the switch on the right. So perhaps I need the clarification on this one.

GKR is non-contact. You need far greater control NOT to hit someone than to follow through. I assure you that my strikes are just as effective as yours in a true situation. Of course there are techniques that involve contact but this is at higher levels. The comments about getting hurt on your gi made me laugh – it’s not really about that it is more about not having proper technique at earlier stages and eliminating the risk of injury. I am betting that if kids break fingers they don’t go to classes for long!

GKR is the biggest karate club in the world now, but as some of you say that does not necessarily mean we are any good (again your references to cult status are noted). 50,000 people can’t be wrong and doing well when up against other styles has to prove something. I have trained with the top, top guys and I can tell you they are good. That’s not to say that I have never thought about looking at other styles but I want to get far in this style first so I am qualified in making a decision on my next move. As for mixing styles together I see no harm in that – after all isn’t that what Bruce Lee did? Our founder has been in MA for quite a while now and trained himself in Japan.

There was a comment on the lines of ‘if the rules say you can’t do it then you can’t do it’…forgive me for sounding sarcastic but isn’t that what rules are for? A red light means stop so must you stop or is it optional?

We do warm up before stretching at every class so I think that post was a little misleading...unless that’s what happens at that particular class, in which case ouch!

Well I do hope that I have managed to clear up some grey areas – if there are any other questions I would be happy to do my best in answering them.

In the meantime it’s great to find a site and forum like this and read all of your comments. I do hope that I can meet some new friends here. Reading through some of your profiles I am blown away at some of your achievements, experience and knowledge. I do hope that you will only see my first post as it is meant to be read – for clarification.

Remember : no matter what style or form we practise, we are all martial artists. Respect to you all.

RMR29 wrote:
Well what a thread! First of all may I say hello to you all as a new user.
Hi

This forum came to my attention through a google search and this thread in particular caught my eye.
I am with GKR and feel a real need to respond to various comments made within your posts in an effort to clarify things a little more.
Could you also qualify your position in GKR?
Just so we know who we are speaking to.


Now don’t get me wrong we all have opinions and feelings about certain tings, what I have a problem with is outsiders reading through what we have here and forming their own opinion based on a number of inaccuracies, misunderstood or misread text. Permit me to address the areas that I have identified as needing clarification…

But first let me express my disgust over the strength of your heading for this thread.
The 'heading' of the thread is nothing to do with the site it is hosted on.
However, it was made by a respected member of this community and if you want to challenge said view, you'll need a heck of a lot more than a GKR resume.


Dishonour is a very strong word and a very insulting accusation to everyone involved with GKR. I have to point out that our Regional Managers and those above them do train with various Masters in Japan – in fact our Chief Assistant Instructor was awarded 5th Dan by a Master in their style
Be specific!
What style?

recently, so you must understand that techniques learnt or improved in Japan are always brought across and introduced into our style.
So how many times have you been to Japan?

What first surprised me was reading that a previous student with the club had been told that he could not progress past 3rd kyu without becoming a Sensei.
Translate what 'Sensei means please?


Whilst the individual may have been pushed to become an instructor once he got to this level, it is by no means restrictive if that does not happen since all grades can train at all classes.
Cult Fu.

Orange belt instructors are rare and I would go so far to say that I do agree with most of the comments made on here. However I will point out that any instructor does have to go to senior classes to receive training from the highest grades within the region. I don’t believe that a lower grade has the necessary knowledge or experience in the style to be able to teach, although they are strictly monitored and those that do not prove to be able to do what they are there for are quickly disposed of. A yellow belt instructor is not really heard of but to be fair again they are receiving the highest possible training whilst on the training programme. I do accept that this is still not really enough and no test of your ability in either the style or your teaching capability, so I am with you on that.
You talk a load of shit.
I'd happily lay down some kind of physical challenge, but I know you are not worth it.
Where my contention lies, is that someone, no doubt many people, are taken in by such bullshit!

Our club is promoted directly in that we do not advertise since the best method of finding out what people need is by talking to them! Martial Arts are not just about defence, it is about development too and I am sure you all took up MA for different reasons. Our job as a club is to help people improve themselves lives by strengthening their weaknesses through karate – how could we identify that without talking to people face to face?!
Err. Actually have a club where 'actions speak louder than words?'

We advertise through job centres sure and I see no difference in that respect to any other organisation advertising a vacancy. Our trainee instructors undertake rigorous training at the highest level and do NOT take a class until qualified to do so in all aspects.
You're cherry red bum they do!
I'm just through open heart surgery, but I'd be happy to lay waste to your most senior student (won't hurt anyone under 18).
You are a twit!

I think the anagram idea about our name is amusing. I will have to ask the founder directly about this one and see what he says (I won’t tell him who I am though, just in case lol).
Never pass up a chance at fellatio eh?




Families of GKR jacket wearers does make us sound even more like a cult (which we are not…I don’t think?!) These jackets are Sensei jackets so I guess as with any other organisation there will be those that abuse the rules.
So who is Sensei Fat Butt and why does he shop for lard?




GKR is non-contact. You need far greater control NOT to hit someone than to follow through.
To make that comment, you need to have some experience in real combative striking!
What is yours?


I assure you that my strikes are just as effective as yours in a true situation.
How so?



GKR is the biggest karate club in the world now,
GKR is not only a joke, but a minor taint on what everyone else knows as MA.
You'll be gone tomorrow.





Well I do hope that I have managed to clear up some grey areas – if there are any other questions I would be happy to do my best in answering them.
Sadly, there are no 'grey areas' to discuss, as you don't have any.

In the meantime it’s great to find a site and forum like this and read all of your comments. I do hope that I can meet some new friends here. Reading through some of your profiles I am blown away at some of your achievements, experience and knowledge. I do hope that you will only see my first post as it is meant to be read – for clarification.
Best anyone here can hope, is that you realise where you are, acknowledge your lack of acheivement and move on.

Stop knocking on doors and start training!

Welcome to the forum RMR29 and thank you for your input and inside knowledge.

RMR29 wrote:
what I have a problem with is outsiders reading through what we have here and forming their own opinion based on a number of inaccuracies, misunderstood or misread text. Permit me to address the areas that I have identified as needing clarification…

Now, I am not an outsider. According to your profile you have been an instructor with GKR since November last year. With this information I am guessing you are a) not a black belt and b) I have more experience with GKR than you do (3 and a half years and a 3rd kyu level). You probably have more up to date knowledge than I do, however I have spoken about my experiences with GKR.

But first let me express my disgust over the strength of your heading for this thread. Dishonour is a very strong word and a very insulting accusation to everyone involved with GKR.

Where in the title of this thread is "dis-honor"? I am a karateka (among other things). I do authentic Japanese karate..in Japan and I am certified by Supreme Master Otsuka to have a black belt. I would say that based on this, I am a karateka and feel ashamed of myself for sticking with a weak style for so long when there were so many other styles with more credibility.

I have to point out that our Regional Managers and those above them do train with various Masters in Japan – in fact our Chief Assistant Instructor was awarded 5th Dan by a Master in their style recently, so you must understand that techniques learnt or improved in Japan are always brought across and introduced into our style.

First, when looking here and with the knowledge that there are no GKR dojos in Japan, I am wondering just what training is going on here. I am only able to train to the level I can because I speak Japanese. I have met one karate master in Japan who could speak English but sadly he passed away last year. Like mule said, what style did they train in and if GKR is so good, why does the aforementioned instructor not have a 5th dan in GKR karate. Why go to another style? I am guessing this teacher is very good because he wouldn't have a 5th dan if not, but why does he need another styles 5th dan.

Oh, and techniques aren't changed in Japan. They have been this way for a long time and the only reason for the syllabus changes in GKR (which happen very frequently) are because the technique wasn't studied correctly in the first place and it was pointed out by a real master and thus has been corrected.

What first surprised me was reading that a previous student with the club had been told that he could not progress past 3rd kyu without becoming a Sensei. Whilst the individual may have been pushed to become an instructor once he got to this level, it is by no means restrictive if that does not happen since all grades can train at all classes.

Are you calling me a liar? I was boxed into a corner when I trained and could not progress further. I used to be an assistant instructor for GKR however I was forced to stop because I made students work hard. Some students left because I didn't baby them and so I was gotten rid of because I was bad for business. After that, I couldn't go to the senior training because it was for "instructors only" and I couldn't grade without "training with the region instructor" who only went to the senior training. Maybe I am a special case in this however I met someone at a GKR tournament once that seemed above his level and it turned out he was "stripped of a few grades for being cocky" by his region instructor. They don't like you being too good if you are bad for business in GKR it seems (based on observation)

Orange belt instructors are rare and I would go so far to say that I do agree with most of the comments made on here. However I will point out that any instructor does have to go to senior classes to receive training from the highest grades within the region. I don’t believe that a lower grade has the necessary knowledge or experience in the style to be able to teach, although they are strictly monitored and those that do not prove to be able to do what they are there for are quickly disposed of. A yellow belt instructor is not really heard of but to be fair again they are receiving the highest possible training whilst on the training programme. I do accept that this is still not really enough and no test of your ability in either the style or your teaching capability, so I am with you on that.

I personally do not feel like I am good enough to teach. I have 2 black belts but I have a lot to learn. Nobody has any business teaching until they are experts unless they are purely working to assist an expert by teaching basics to beginners that are much lower ranked than themselves. Think of a breakdown like this:

Head of the organization: 100% style knowledge
High ranked instructors that train with the head: 50%
People trained by the above (zone instructors): 25%
People under zone instructors (regional instructors): 12%
Instructors in the region with black belts: 6%

There isn't much point going any lower. This is a simplified model based on opinion but the more people a style goes through, the more diluted it gets. Combine that with the length of time someone has practiced and it gets diluted further.

The style is too big and has diluted too much.

We advertise through job centres sure and I see no difference in that respect to any other organisation advertising a vacancy. Our trainee instructors undertake rigorous training at the highest level and do NOT take a class until qualified to do so in all aspects.

Martial arts take years to master just like anything else. If you put an add in the jobcenter for "Heavyweight boxer wanted, no experience necessary" people would think you were totally crazy.

Someone mentioned paying for insurance (allegedly you had trained with GKR for over 3 years). Again this is nonsense as insurance is included in the training fees.

Isn't that paying insurance then?

Families of GKR jacket wearers does make us sound even more like a cult (which we are not…I don’t think?!) These jackets are Sensei jackets so I guess as with any other organisation there will be those that abuse the rules.

I trained with a region instructor once who will remain nameless, but he would not answer to anything other than Sensei no matter where we were. Even in the pub.

People call me sensei because I am a teacher in Japan. I often tell people they are being too formal with me and to just call me by my name but that is the culture of JAPAN. Not England. People who are in your dojo are not your acolytes but you make them as such by making them refer to you as sensei out of the dojo.

Assistant instructors don’t get screwed for fees if they have to teach for all or part of a class as their training is free.

I did. Paid 5 pounds for a class and was made to teach. I objected as I had used my training time in another club (same instructor) in that week and not paid, but I was paying to teach that day basically. I got in big trouble for "arguing with my instructor" that day. (Part of the reason for my dismissal as an assistant instructor).

I don’t understand the comment about there being no logical progression in the system regarding kata. The system is GKR and therefore has its own system. Our techniques are different to other styles in some areas – does that mean that other styles are missing out some of the stuff that we do? Of course not – a car with its light switch on the left is no less a car that one with the switch on the right. So perhaps I need the clarification on this one.

Many karate styles share traditional kata. It does not mean that other styles are missing things from GKR but it does mean GKR is missing things from other styles. GKR claims to be traditional Japanese Karate so it should maybe follow what the Japanese styles do, not just pick kata which may be out of context.

GKR is non-contact. You need far greater control NOT to hit someone than to follow through. I assure you that my strikes are just as effective as yours in a true situation. Of course there are techniques that involve contact but this is at higher levels.

Please, the only reason GKR is non contact is so people get hurt as little as possible. People just use the control excuse because they have blinded themselves with their own lies. My style has soft contact which means I can hit my opponent as long as I don't cause injury. Hitting someone at full speed and not hurting them is the greatest control. If you never hit your opponent you cant get the distancing right which means, you have taught yourself how to control your body incorrectly.

GKR is the biggest karate club in the world now, but as some of you say that does not necessarily mean we are any good (again your references to cult status are noted). 50,000 people can’t be wrong and doing well when up against other styles has to prove something. I have trained with the top, top guys and I can tell you they are good. That’s not to say that I have never thought about looking at other styles but I want to get far in this style first so I am qualified in making a decision on my next move. As for mixing styles together I see no harm in that – after all isn’t that what Bruce Lee did? Our founder has been in MA for quite a while now and trained himself in Japan.

It may be the biggest club but there are more non-GKR karateka than there are GKR karateka. Also I would never say the high graded people are bad, but they didn't get all their training from GKR. Most of your top dogs are from other styles that got involved in GKR at a later date. Show me one good guy that trained and got 100% of his experience from GKR and I will show you my high school karate team where every member would wipe the floor with your boy with their 100% Wado Ryu experience.

There was a comment on the lines of ‘if the rules say you can’t do it then you can’t do it’…forgive me for sounding sarcastic but isn’t that what rules are for? A red light means stop so must you stop or is it optional?

I agree with you on this philosophically but rules like "we don't do press ups in this club" are a little restrictive. Rules are there to stop people getting hurt and provide a guideline. As soon as you introduce bizarre rules with no grounding things start getting weird and pointless. If it became a rule in the club for everyone to bring an apple to class, people would probably do it but question why as it doesn't help their training. Much in the same way as banning press ups.

Well I do hope that I have managed to clear up some grey areas – if there are any other questions I would be happy to do my best in answering them.

Why thank you. Me too. Yoroshiku ne.

In the meantime it’s great to find a site and forum like this and read all of your comments. I do hope that I can meet some new friends here. Reading through some of your profiles I am blown away at some of your achievements, experience and knowledge. I do hope that you will only see my first post as it is meant to be read – for clarification.

Thank you again. I am pleased you took the time to write at length about this subject. I can see that you want to contribute. Please understand though that in cases like this, there are many martial artists with a lot of experience (as you said) on this website that will pick apart what you say in certain subject matter. GKR has the reputation for being a McDojo and well most of us that have many years of martial arts experience can be quite rooted in our beliefs. Please understand it is the style we are talking about, not you so don't take it personally.

Remember : no matter what style or form we practise, we are all martial artists. Respect to you all.

Respect to you too mate.

Wow 2 replies already, one respectful, the other a little less so. Since I was purely trying to clear a few things up I see no reason for attack. I am not a twit and I don't talk shit - I speak of what I currently know, as do we all.

I shall write again later when I have a little more time, but just to answer a question posed here I have been training with GKR for four years, instructing for three months, and do indeed train with the highest grades in the country every week.

Again, to calm any agressiveness down, I am not here to create waves or annoy people. Like the rest of you I train in what I believe in, that is currently GKR as this is all I have experience of thus far. One other point though quickly - why would high grade MA's in other styles move to GKR?

I think that bringing all styles together is a fantastic idea - is,'t that done anyway at the NAS championships?

Laters...and don't hit me for being involved in a healthy debate!

Welcome RMR29!!!

Thanx for these posts. Its gud that there's someone to help clear everything up about GKR. I've been trying to do that but I've been unable to put it so well like you have

Well, this is quite an active thread

Sorry for my assumption about your experience in the style. What grade are you right now?

Don't worry about creating waves and trying to annoy people. We have someone who's alternative personality is talking in what appears to be LSD induced riddles on another thread.

I think for your point on why high grades in other styles move to GKR is the fact that there are so many dojos around. It makes it very accessible. There are only 8 Wado Ryu Renmei dojos in England and none where I am from. However there are hundreds of GKR dojos in England.

Do the experienced people from the other style consider GKR superior or are they practicing it out of convenience?

Now, I am sorry to say this but just because someone is an expert in a martial art, doesn't always make them a good person. I went to a GKR tournament once and saw a guy in a yellow belt. It was obvious he had done another style before because he was pretty damn quick. Instead of just being a man and entering the open division with people at his own level, he preceded to totally pan everyone in the yellow belt division and seemed pretty impressed with himself then entered the open division. In the open division he got an excessive contact warning (not disqualified which I considered it was worth) for full on punching his opponent in the face. His opponent looked pretty pissed off(especially at how smarmy the guy was about not getting disqualified and disorienting him) so re rewarded mr yellow belt (or black and white as he was wearing then) with a full power punch to the forehead and a concussion. Of course he was the aggressor and got disqualified for his blatant revenge shot however after waking up, mr yellow belt was soooooooooo angry that he wasn't allowed to continue.

Who knows, maybe he was banned from his old style for being an aggressive tool.

I personally have changed clubs in the past for sheer convenience and location. If I was in Korea, I would be doing TKD but I'm not. So I moved to the most famous dojo in the area.

Hi RMR29 and welcome to the forum.

I think your input on this thread could be good to give it some balance. I think this forum does have a pretty openminded community and isn't like some others that I've been on who have driven people away because they train in a particular style that a few members don't like.

As for my thoughts on GKR, I've never trained in it so can't comment on the training practices other than anecdotal evidence, so your input may clear a few things up that have been alluded to in the thread. For me I'm mainly talking about how you sign up new members and the experience of instructors. I try not to get too hung up on stylist differences otherwise I'd probably be arguing with the majority of people on the forum about one thing or another if I did ;-)

I am a bit dubious about going to someone's house and getting them to sign up to membership before trying a class or have I got the wrong end of the stick here? Presumably there is some sort of cooling off period or if they decide they don't like it they can cancel?

Also at what belt or how many years training do people start instructing? I'm talking about instructing for a full class here and not say spending 5 minutes here or there helping a lower grade with a technique or form. Typically are beginners taught by junior grades? I accept that they will be differences from club to club and just wanted to know if there are any guidelines.

Ultimately, I personally think that as long as people are learning and developing what they want then good luck to them, whatever style it is. Sure I have my own views on styles that I rate and don't rate, but they are from my point of view of what I want to get from martial arts. Someone else might look at a style, which I don't rate, as being the greatest thing in the world. Who's right?

As long as people are happy with what they are doing and they aren't being ripped off then who I am to criticise?

Take care
Steve

RMR29 wrote:
Wow 2 replies already, one respectful, the other a little less so.
Respect is earned!
That's an opportunity you can explore here.


Since I was purely trying to clear a few things up I see no reason for attack. I am not a twit and I don't talk shit - I speak of what I currently know, as do we all.
While my post, I admit, was a 'late night/early morning' guffaw.
My feeling remains the same.
You aren't clearing anything up.

I shall write again later when I have a little more time, but just to answer a question posed here I have been training with GKR for four years, instructing for three months, and do indeed train with the highest grades in the country every week.
Have you any experience in arts other than GKR?

Again, to calm any agressiveness down, I am not here to create waves or annoy people. Like the rest of you I train in what I believe in, that is currently GKR as this is all I have experience of thus far.
Here, you answer my previous question.
You have no means to compare what you are defending, with anything else.

One other point though quickly - why would high grade MA's in other styles move to GKR?
Common line used in 'Cult Fu'.
Choi Kwang Do used this line in the 80's.
Failures and outcasts from TKD flocked to this banner.

Aha so THAT'S where I am going wrong...nobody ever deserves any ounce of respect until they have earned it right? No idea how you get on in life with that kind of attitude then lol.

On a more serious note, I am merely putting straight a few inaccuracies quoted here, nothing more. Since I know nothing of your styles I cannot comment on those until I have experience in them. If you read my posts you would pick up that I am indeed going to be looking at other styles in the future. However I don't have to justify myself here - if my posts cannot be read objectively then that is sad but I expect nothing more as contributors on my own forum seem to follow the same pattern. Respect to those that can accept other opinions that's all I will say.

Now if you are proposing a meeting of styles that's a different matter lol - have you tried something like that before?

RMR29 wrote:
Aha so THAT'S where I am going wrong...nobody ever deserves any ounce of respect until they have earned it right? No idea how you get on in life with that kind of attitude then lol.
No idea, how you consider yourself 'involved' in martial Arts when you don't.

On a more serious note, I am merely putting straight a few inaccuracies quoted here, nothing more. Since I know nothing of your styles I cannot comment on those until I have experience in them.
So switch off your keyboard an read?

If you read my posts you would pick up that I am indeed going to be looking at other styles in the future. However I don't have to justify myself here - if my posts cannot be read objectively then that is sad but I expect nothing more as contributors on my own forum seem to follow the same pattern. Respect to those that can accept other opinions that's all I will say.
You expecting people on here to Kow Tow (I'd guess you need that expression explained to you) to you on here?

Actually, you DO have to justify yourself on here!
You're propogating one of the 'least' respected semblances of Martial Arts in the world right now.
If you want to step up to the plate, you damn well ought to have something worth saying.

Now if you are proposing a meeting of styles that's a different matter lol - have you tried something like that before?
Yes!