I was teaching a section at a multi-art seminar a few years back, and due to the large number of people there, I got a useful statistic.

We were exploring common 'escorting' compliance grips and I was able to define that 15% of the group felt no discomfort from the 'chicken wing' grip.
If you imagine somebody bending your palm and fingers towards the inside of your wrist, that pretty much describes it.
I'll dance an Irish Jig if someone puts it on me.

On another occasion, I had a guest instructor showing a technique using pressure against the 'filtrum', which is essentially where your nose starts above the teeth.
Everybody else was going Ow Ow Ow, but it didn't bother me in the slightest.

On another occasion, I had a guy tell me he could tell simply by looking at my face that I'd be susceptible to a particular pressure point.
Guess what.
He was wrong.

Add in the effects of drugs and or booze, then maybe we should be practicing Leg Fu or Parkour instead of MA?

Are MA what you do when you can't run fast enough any more?

Everybody's different in shape and size, and also how long/short muscle, ligament's and other connective is. So where a technique will work on one it may not work on another. This is why you should have alot of techniques you know, a dozen that you are real good at and two or three you will do without thinking about. Three second rule if it don't work in three it ain't gonna work at all change it.
Also the size difference between you and your attacker can make alot of difference. If they're bigger certain techniques won't work as well as if they are smaller and vice-versa. (though if they are are smaller you may get away with sitting on them )
Also i learn't the arts 'cos i can't run crap at it so i thought better learn to fight, funny 'cos as part of training for tournments e.t.c. for me was to run so now i have an even better choice in my arsenal so if all else fails i have the ledgenary "foot 'o' nike".

an even better choice in my arsenal so if all else fails i have the ledgenary "foot 'o' nike".


Amen.

DanK wrote:
Everybody's different in shape and size, and also how long/short muscle, ligament's and other connective is. So where a technique will work on one it may not work on another. This is why you should have alot of techniques you know, a dozen that you are real good at and two or three you will do without thinking about. Three second rule if it don't work in three it ain't gonna work at all change it.
Also the size difference between you and your attacker can make alot of difference. If they're bigger certain techniques won't work as well as if they are smaller and vice-versa. (though if they are are smaller you may get away with sitting on them )

This is true.
If, for whatever reason, you have to resort to compliance techniques, then you have to be able to flow from one to another until your objective is acheived.

Hi All

I would also add that a compliance technique can be used before or after a strike to set you up for a clean strike, not just flowing into your next technique. Often when training people tend to get fixed on a lock, but forget when it is no longer applicable. I like Dank's 3 second rule, as a guide. Try putting a lock on yoga or tai-chi practioner!

I was luck enough to be given a demonstartion on restraint techniques by a police officer, as we went through then it became clear that these are useful pain compliance techniques, whereas if you are able to control pain in your body this enables you to find escape routes, as all techniques leave an opening in them.

THe best pain compliance technique was done by a friend of mine in a fight, he stuck his fingers into the guys eye socket and said if you carry on I'll pull your eyes out! There basics are the best.

Nice story. I tend to use a strike first as this will soften up your oppenent to put on the restraint.
My missus is a police officer and a martial artist. When she was at training school they were going through techniques and she changed the trainer's mind about a few things and ended up teaching him! All stuff taught to her by my goodself of course

From what I have read so far you must be talking about relying on Pain Compliance.

Pain Compliance is a wonderful tool in my toolbox, especially as a corrections officer, but its not my only tool.

When we use pain compliance we are using pain stimulus to control resistive behavior. When used they should be effective within 3 seconds if not you must move on.

An important point to remember is that pain compliance requires a thought process that is congnative to pain. So if you are drugged up , or drunk, or simply desentitized to pain, pain comcpliance won't work.

It is far better to learn to immobilize and control, a locked joint may not be causing pain, but it can't do anything anyway.

Wait I am wrong, it can break.