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Re:When the student is better than the teacher.... 10 Months, 3 Weeks ago  
haha 2-0 you wish. The last time we sparred you had no choice but to concede.


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Re:When the student is better than the teacher.... 10 Months, 3 Weeks ago  
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Re:When the student is better than the teacher.... 9 Months, 2 Weeks ago  
returning to the original point, people!!!

I have had two negative experiences with teachers, in the first instance I had trained with someone else and the teacher was threated by the fact I knew something he did not teach me, and as I left said that if I beat him it would only because he let me.

In the second instance the teacher had taken the class for granted and was no-longer giving positive feedback, I was the only person in the class who said so, no new students were coming in. The class was becoming very inward looking, with the myth the class is so hard thats why people avoid it and don't stay long if the come at all.

At this point I just though as a student you have to recognise when you have out grown a school. Has this been the same for other people?
 
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Re:When the student is better than the teacher.... 9 Months, 2 Weeks ago  
At the end of the day a student should eventually be better than their instructor so that he/she can go on to teach other students to become better martial artists and keep the arts and traditions alive and growing to a higher standard.

Instructors have alot of pressure on them to perform and be superhuman. They are not they just hold the knowleadge that their students want (to err is human...).

The biggest mistake the instructor make is when a demo of a technique goes horribly wrong for them and they then blame the student and pick on them instead of owning up to the whole class that it was their fault. Integrity is a major part of martial arts.
 
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Re:When the student is better than the teacher.... 9 Months ago  
Try Kuk Sool Won. It is an all round system of fitness and self defense. As such it includes all different types of training. It relies upon smooth circular movements which should not have a detremental effect on the joints. Having said that, taught correctly, there is no reason why Taekwondo should have anything other than a good effect on your joints either!
 
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Re:When the student is better than the teacher.... 8 Months, 3 Weeks ago  
Kind of a reverse perspective on this.

We had a student come up to us and tell us that another student had been bragging after class, that he had deliberately kicked a young girl between the legs during sparring.

The following week, he was watched closely and sure enough, while sparring, he kicked one of the seniors between the legs.
Said senior, being one of those fortunate people who could arrange your hair with his feet.
Said senior had been taking things nice and light with this git.

So when it became time to change sparring partners, said git found he got another senior every change, who gave him no quarter.
Last time I ever saw the git, he was sliding down a wall.
Maybe not the most professional way to have dealt with it in retrospect, but he dug his own grave.

I think, in the OP, the instructor needs to do an ego check and it's a pity the non-compliant new student didn't turn round and give him one, when he punched him in the spine.
 
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Re:When the student is better than the teacher.... 8 Months, 3 Weeks ago  
mule wrote:

So when it became time to change sparring partners, said git found he got another senior every change, who gave him no quarter.
Last time I ever saw the git, he was sliding down a wall.
Maybe not the most professional way to have dealt with it in retrospect, but he dug his own grave.
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Like it, sounds like my old training days.
We will never conquer the bravado (ego) of the younger students unless they see the wall very close up as above
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I think, in the OP, the instructor needs to do an ego check and it's a pity the non-compliant new student didn't turn round and give him one, when he punched him in the spine.


Had this done to me was the crotid area for me had a sore throat for weeks this happened whilst explaining technique and hit me without warning
low and behold he is in my stick class now and very humble, when
being close with a weapon and a trained instructor who will not take the s***t he used to spurt out.
Whoever said it all comes around

But on the other hand i will train all my flock to be twice as good as myself( my own assumption i am any good) , due to my learning curve and stumbling blocks over the years there rise should be faster easier and a lot less painful than my apprenticeship

Pike
 
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Re:When the student is better than the teacher.... 8 Months, 3 Weeks ago  
All true and just.
Remember the people whose fingers you tread on when going up the ladder are the same people whose toes you are hanging onto on the way down.
On the other hand.
How can i fly like an eagle when i'm working with turkeys
(now that's just damn mean!!)
 
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Re:When the student is better than the teacher.... 8 Months, 3 Weeks ago  
DanK wrote:

How can i fly like an eagle when i'm working with turkeys


I hope there aint no royalties on this
cos I'm gonna use this soon

Best Regards
Pike
 
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Re:When the student is better than the teacher.... 8 Months, 3 Weeks ago  
In our club we have a number of good instructors, 1 occasion stand out when demonstrating an escape from a hold down an instructor picked on a younger but much bigger student as his uki. when the instructor realised the technic he was trying would not work on this particular uki he tried to tap out as is the system in our club, unfortunatly this was mistook as part of the escape by the uki who tighten his grip. Which in turn caused the instructor to begin to sufercate. The instructor needed to used a harsh technic to expel the uki of him and the uki was punished for not acting on the tap out. This student was not better than the instructor he just thought he was due to his strenght and age diff. It was only when the instructor needed to use a full not a diluted technic he was taught a lesson and almost lost a belt for the trouble in his lack of respect
 
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Re:When the student is better than the teacher.... 8 Months, 3 Weeks ago  
But Breakfaller do you agree that a misunderstanding could be seen as a lack of respect?
 
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Re:When the student is better than the teacher.... 8 Months, 3 Weeks ago  
Yes it is a lack of respect Pete we are seeing this a little with some of the kids, but they often don't last long. This lad was a senior belted member and should have known better
 
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