Missed it.
I love Radio 4 though.
Love the comedy stuff about 6 & 7pm.
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Just wondered if anyone listened to either of these programmes? I listened to the 2nd one this morning, and its got some weird findings in it, like:
- morphine works less well if you don't know you've had it???
- pace-makers that work when they're not even switched on!
- placebo is at work in every kind of medicine, and so on.
I believe in the placebo effect. How many time have people claimed they are getting drunk when drinking non alcholic beverages.
Or think they are getting better when all they had was a cup of warm water...
The power of the mind is far more powerful than any tool or drug we have on this earth. Things are happening that we are not aware of.
I don't get ill or have colds because I believe I am healthy and have a strong resistance to them. I havent been ill for years... Barely a sniffle and its not like I havent been out in the cold.
Its a common thought that when your stressed or feeling down your likely to get ill, when you relaxed and positive you are less likely to be ill. These feelings are all about body chemistry which can be controlled to a certain extent by the mind.
People have survived on pure spirit alone for days when no food or water was available...
Amazing beings we are...
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Here's a quote from an article on the Placebo effect that was printed in New Scientist magazine on 23rd August 2008:
There is evdence that placebo's can have a measurable biochemical effect. The release of pain-killing endorphines, for instance, has been confirmed by showing that drugs which block endorphines also block the placebo effect on pain in brain scans that "light up" endorphines. Placebos have also been shown to trigger the release of dopamine in people with Parkinsons's disease. In 2004, Bendetti demonstrated that after conditioning, individual neurons in the brain's of Parkinson's patients respond to a salt solution in the same way as they do to a genuine drug designed to relieve tremors. When it comes to placebo's it seems nothing is simple, we still have a lot to learn from this elusive phenomonon.
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Can anyone tell me/find out how quickly placebo effects can take affect?
From what I have found they generally need "some time" before the body would determine it a placebo. Meaning that in most cases it is NOT a placebo effect if it is immediate.
Can anyone help clear this up for me?
Also since this is about placebo effect,
What do you all think about animals NOT being able to elicit the placebo effect? I have found some new studies that suggest animals can have it, but that opens up a whole new realm in animal thought.
Just curious,
Cause as many of you know that is one of the "biggest" ways Qigong/Acupuncture is supposed to work.
Thanks!
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Taoquan wrote: Can anyone tell me/find out how quickly placebo effects can take affect?
From what I have found they generally need "some time" before the body would determine it a placebo. Meaning that in most cases it is NOT a placebo effect if it is immediate.
Can anyone help clear this up for me?
Also since this is about placebo effect,
What do you all think about animals NOT being able to elicit the placebo effect? I have found some new studies that suggest animals can have it, but that opens up a whole new realm in animal thought.
Just curious,
Cause as many of you know that is one of the "biggest" ways Qigong/Acupuncture is supposed to work.
Thanks!
Good questions! Depends what you mean by 'some time' - I know of a case where a suggestion took effect within hours.
Also, just wondering if a placebo CAN have instant effect, if that's your belief in it/if you believe its going to work instantly???
Will see if I can find anything more about it.
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See this is interesting to me, because as an Acupuncture student people try to make acupuncture all placebo. However, Horses and animals are getting relief from acupuncture (but why, no one knows) also I have heard seen patients get immediate relief from Fevers going down, pain stopping etc. and this is one of the other arguments for acupuncture is that placebo cannot take place that quick.
For example, I have seen a patient come in with sore throat, we bleed a point on their finger and as soon as we get 2 small drops of blood from this point, they report that the sore throat is gone. So can placebo take effect in a matter of seconds?
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