Remember what happened when the Danish cartoons of Muhammed came out?
Just to butt in on this superb thread. One of our M.E. team is a practicing muslim and I asked him about the cartoons, because like you I thought what on earth was wrong with drawing pictures! But apparently in Islamic culture Mohammed must never be drawn from the text into a picture. This is in stark contrast to christanity where the church actively encourages religious imagery.
Just my two cents but as complete infidel I can see the islamic point of view there with regards the cartoons, especially to the devout believers.
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Just to butt in on this superb thread. One of our M.E. team is a practicing muslim and I asked him about the cartoons, because like you I thought what on earth was wrong with drawing pictures! But apparently in Islamic culture Mohammed must never be drawn from the text into a picture. This is in stark contrast to christanity where the church actively encourages religious imagery.Right. So it's against the rules. SO WHAT? Since when do you KILL somebody for breaking a religious rule? Especially when the 'guilty' party isn't even from your religion? That's medieval. And of course, it's apparently standard practice in Islam.
Just my two cents but as complete infidel I can see the islamic point of view there with regards the cartoons, especially to the devout believers.So noted. I also know many 'practising Muslims.' Yet none of them can explain why 'practicing Muslims' want to behead somebody who draws a cartoon of Mohammed. Or why the 'practicing Muslims' in Syria burned down the Danish embassy - maybe it was an attempt to show the world what happens when you offend the 'Religion of Peace?'
Don't you think the 'practicing Muslims' should be a tad more upset about, I don't know, the 'small minority' of lunatics who have taken over their religion, and who do things much worse than draw cartoons? Things like beheading innocent civilians on video, and posting the videos on the internet? Things like blowing up schoolchildren who happen to practice a slightly different brand of Islam? When these types of things happen, NOT ONE Imam from the US 'moderate Muslim' community stands up to denounce it. And I doubt if any in the UK or anywhere else do either. If I'm wrong, please send me a link where I can read/watch a Muslim Imam publicly denouncing the regular acts of terrorism perpetrated by the followers of the 'Religion of Peace.'
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Jamie Clubb wrote: For your enjoyment! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kcrF346sS_I
Thank you! That was hilarious! Those guys are right on with this one.
There's only one statement they made that I disagree with - that we shouldn't show the 9/11 footage. I think it should be shown on every channel, every day, to remind people of what happened and what could happen again if we relax our guard.
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As you travel to the mountain, there may be people ahead of you. You may pass some of these people on the way, and some of them may pass you. You are all going to the same place, so it is as well to be civil to each other on the journey!
Good luck on your journey, I hope that our paths cross, and we may travel together for a time!
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As you travel to the mountain, there may be people ahead of you. You may pass some of these people on the way, and some of them may pass you. You are all going to the same place, so it is as well to be civil to each other on the journey!
Good luck on your journey, I hope that our paths cross, and we may travel together for a time!
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QuickSabre wrote: So noted. I also know many 'practising Muslims.' Yet none of them can explain why 'practicing Muslims' want to behead somebody who draws a cartoon of Mohammed. Or why the 'practicing Muslims' in Syria burned down the Danish embassy - maybe it was an attempt to show the world what happens when you offend the 'Religion of Peace?'
Don't you think the 'practicing Muslims' should be a tad more upset about, I don't know, the 'small minority' of lunatics who have taken over their religion, and who do things much worse than draw cartoons? Things like beheading innocent civilians on video, and posting the videos on the internet? Things like blowing up schoolchildren who happen to practice a slightly different brand of Islam? When these types of things happen, NOT ONE Imam from the US 'moderate Muslim' community stands up to denounce it. And I doubt if any in the UK or anywhere else do either. If I'm wrong, please send me a link where I can read/watch a Muslim Imam publicly denouncing the regular acts of terrorism perpetrated by the followers of the 'Religion of Peace.'
Islam is as fractured as other religions including Christianity. There are differences between interpretations of the Koran and also cultural differences depending on where Muslims come from. So a Saudi Muslim, may have very different views to a Pakistani Muslim. Just like a born again Christian will have different views to a Roman Catholic or an Anglican, etc.
I'm also not sure how connected mosques actually are. I'm not sure if it is a loose affliation rather than the more structured Anglican or Catholic heirarchy.
As for seeing Muslim leaders on tv condemning attacks. Has anyone asked them? Should a Shi'ite Muslim living in the US be contacting the tv companies so that he can condemn an attack by someone who follows a different form of Islam?
Or is it easier to get some crackpot who talks about destroying the West as it makes better news and gives him the notoriety he is after? And remember his agenda may be to create and widen the schisms in society as it's in his interests to attract diseffected young Muslims.
It's generally easier for leaders of Anglican, Catholic or Jewish faiths to give their views as people have asked them for their opinion before on other matters. Pre 9/11 noone cared what the views of a moderate Muslim leader was.
Don't you think the 'practicing Muslims' should be a tad more upset about, I don't know, the 'small minority' of lunatics who have taken over their religion, and who do things much worse than draw cartoons? Things like beheading innocent civilians on video, and posting the videos on the internet?
I can see your view point QS I really can, and im hardly in a position to sit here and say I dont believe you when clearly I dont live in the US and I dont live in Detroit.
But I think we have to put things into context, when we see burning effigys or beheadings its the work of terrorists - individuals with a hell bent ambition of causing harm to innocent people.
However, I agree with Steve that every religion is fragmented and we could set up a forum in itself to discuss 'whodunit' worse.
All I can say is thank goodness I keep out of it all. Better to accept now that one day whether you like it or not you will return to the elements.
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Now here is some very sage advice: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0wigysppDbc&feature=relatedYes, that is good advice. I would add that I have found that many people, maybe even most people, who believe in one of the more 'well known' conspiracy theories tend to believe in just about every one that comes along.
9/11 being a US govt inside job, Area 51 is full of alien bodies, the movie 'Capricorn One' is real (i.e., man never landed on the moon, it was all a hoax), Kennedy was shot by at least 3 men, the Council on Foreign Relations runs the world from a smoke-filled room, etc. ad nauseum.
Find someone who believes in one of the above, and I can almost guarantee you they believe in one or more of the others.
I have also found that it is a bit 'intellectually lazy' (though not necessarily stupid) to believe in all these conspiracy theories. Instead of researching and investigating facts, they simply pronounce 'It's all a big conspiracy.' It's an easy solution to some complex issue. THEN they 'find' or manufacture 'facts' to back up their nutty ideas.
Then again sometimes they're just trying to sell a book or a movie.
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I have also found that it is a bit 'intellectually lazy' (though not necessarily stupid) to believe in all these conspiracy theories. Instead of researching and investigating facts, they simply pronounce 'It's all a big conspiracy.'
Is it not "intellectually lazy" to label anyone asking legitimate questions as a 'conspiracy theorist'?
If you are unwilling or unable to answer questions put to you, then how can you dismiss people who ask the questions you do not?
Does this not make you a sheep?
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