Here's a website talking about the Pentagon myths
http://www.debunk911myths.org/topics/Pentagon

Did you watch the first video Steve?
Not just a bit, but the whole thing?

mule wrote:
Did you watch the first video Steve?
Not just a bit, but the whole thing?

I didn't watch the whole thing. I spent about 40 minutes or so watching it at normal speed, before I started fast forwarding bits as I didn't find it that compelling. I then had a look at the guy's website and then looked for info on him to get an idea of who he was.

As it's a long time since I read any of the various theories about 9/11, so I later spent some time looking at some of the various conspiracy theories and their rebuttals online. I found http://www.ae911truth.info which directly refutes the claims on the video. I have not fully read this website, but read bits that interested me.

Nothing I've read has led me to believe that the US government masterminded the events of 9/11.

The CCTV did not have to point to the sky because the angle of flight for the so called pane to hit the pentagon would have to have been flying past many highway CCTV including those around the pentagon area...

Throughout history (thousands of years ago)to now, the powers have used 'Fear' to control people. This is a fact of life we know this to be true. Various methods have been used like, Religions, killing and pillaging. Our own king's and queen's in the UK used to 'Bully' people into working and paying taxes.
Slaves were forced to work through brutality which was something that went on 1000's of years ago and even to some degree still does. This fear of life, of being punished serverley in this life or after keep people in control.

If you went to war with someone for no reason what do you think the people would do? what would the world say? Pretty much wouldn't go for it would they?

So how would you convince people that war is a good idea? By asking them? no I think not...

I'm not saying the US government did it... Maybe they knew something... But it is fact that the guys who control the money control the world. Central Banks lend money out at interest. Each dollar/pound produced has interest. So if every dollar/pound is charged at interest, how does the interest get paid off??

The corruption is very very deep. Many people see it, see the truth because of the understanding that 'little people' mean nothing to those who have more money than is humanly possible to spend!!

War is the biggest industry in the world, billions and billions is spent so more and more debt is generated. If you think about it even on a logical level, its quite clear that this is the case to fund this industry. Who gets this profit? who gets any profit?? the guys at the very top.

What about the eye witnesses who saw the low flying plane and the damage at the Pentagon? Why would they lie?
http://www.911research.wtc7.net/pentagon/evidence/witnesses/bart.html

Countries go to war for a number of reasons, but they are usually for perceived national interests, whether for national security, spheres of influence, or more worryingly national prestige or economic gains. I can't think of any wars offhand where there was no reason and it was a war simply for war's sake.

Okay so now it’s the banks that instigated 9/11? Banks are businesses and like any other business they are there to make money for their owners/shareholders and all the people that invest time (staff) and money in them. As for conspiring to set up "fake" terrorist attacks for the sake of it to make money out of government spending on future wars seems a bit tenuous to say the least.

Is anyone who made money out of 9/11 a possible suspect? What about Rudolph Giuliani? What about the guys who set up websites dedicated to the "truth" of conspiracies who ask for monetary contributions?

Who are "the guys who control the money control the world"? The world is a complex place with a lot of interaction and the world states system is no difference. There is no absolute power. Countries do what they can to sustain themselves within written and unwritten the rules of the system. Sure there are interest groups within countries, including big business, but to imply that there is a group of people in the shadows masterminded everything in the background is stretching it.

What evidence is there?

I agree completely. Islamic fundamentalist terrorists did it, both on the first attempt (1993) and the second (2001).

I suppose some of these '9/11 doubters' also probably think the moon landings were faked ('Capricorn One' anyone?), or that the world is running out of oil, or that global warming, if it exists, is caused by mankind.

I am enjoying the postings, though, absolutely hilarious!

if it exists, is caused by mankind


Controversial! Whether its mankind or not the scientific fact that the earth is warming up is probably the greatest single threat to our existence.

I heartily disagree! I'd say socialism - the idea that people need a nanny-state government to take care of them from cradle to grave, confiscating money from individuals to redistribute it to others (among many other ways of restricting individual freedoms) - is the greatest threat to mankind.

However, perhaps it would be best to discuss on another thread. My point was just to illustrate that people who believe 9/11 was something other than what it was (a terrorist attack by Islamic fundamentalists) also tend to believe just about every other wacko conspiracy out there (global warming being among the most prevalent in the popular culture).

QuickSabre wrote:
My point was just to illustrate that people who believe 9/11 was something other than what it was (a terrorist attack by Islamic fundamentalists) also tend to believe just about every other wacko conspiracy out there (global warming being among the most prevalent in the popular culture).

I reserve what I consider to be a healthy disrespect for everything I'm told by the government via the media.

There's historical prescedence for the US misleading it's citizens by manufacturing terrorism, like Cuba in the 1960's.

I wouldn't dream of dismissing everyone who questioned a governments integrity, or motivations, as a 'conspiracy theorist'.

The thing is that whatever you believe about 9/11 or for that matter anything you believe in full stop, is gonna be different for someone up the road.

Opinions and free speech can confuse many people and also enlighten people. What one person understand the other has no clue.

No body knows for 100% certainty who was behind 9/11. Because there are reasons not too believe but also reasons to believe it...

No body knows 100% how the goverment runs things like the military, the ecomnomy etc...Yet some people have seen corruption and some people have not...

So how do you know which one it is?
I mean ask yourself,
What is the purpose of any war?
What is the purpose of money?
Why does someone (country/Nation) always have to dominate?

Billions of people are on this planet, This planet only has whats available on it to sustain life...

If a hunting species outgrows in numbers the amount of prey, the preditors go fof to find food elsewhere or they die.
How much longer will it take for the human race to outgrow its food supply?
What will happen when we do??
I think poop will hit the fan and people will panic, they will riot and they will kill...
If a power (goverment) knew this was coming and could do nothing to stop the forces of nature (who can?) then what precautions would you take knowing dam well that sometime in the near future most people are going to die anyway?

If you think Super goverment man will save you all then your mistaken, because it won't be the little people who will get a look in to be 'saved'


You may think this is a little extreme and it can't be true so you won't believe it. I believe in nature, no one can control it you only have to be aware to see how nature works.
If you don't wanna believe it then you will distract yourself from it with your pre occupations.
If I was a goverment power and I didn't want you to believe it I would encourage more pre occupations so you didn't ask questions, so you was more concerned with your next morgage payment or the next computer game (i do love games and am fully aware that its a distraction!). I feel misled by the powers around me, I don't trust them because I can see a natural pattern in our world. I don't see a species trying to survive, I see a species trying to destroy itself.

Crazy huh? maybe....

Ryusui_Ryu, I don't agree with your view of the world per se, but I have to admire your passion! I guess we'll have to respectfully agree to disagree.

Just because I don't buy the conspiracy theories about 9/11 doesn't mean that I believe everything that governments tell us. The government is made up of people and people have their own agendas, their own views and they also make genuine mistakes, so I judge things on an individual basis where I can. I don't think that if you believe in one thing it automatically follows that you will set stance on another topic.

I'd also like to point out that I don't agree with immoral wars. To be honest, I struggle with the thought of a moral war as I don't think things are black and white despite how much governments try to demonise those that they go to war with.

I've tried to limit my comments on this thread to the topic of 9/11. I'm not even going to get involved in a discussion as to whether global warning is some sort of left wing conspiracy.

Take care
Steve

Speaking of conspiracies and the conceited nature of the human race (to think that we have the power to 'harm' the planet!)...go to Youtube and look up 'George Carlin Environmentalists' SO FUNNY

Anyway, as far as 9/11 and 'immoral' wars are concerned...what's immoral about taking action against evil? Should we have let Hitler take over England? Of course not. He was pure evil, yet at the time there were many who wanted to 'appease' him, 'negotiate' with him, and let him go his merry way (Neville Chamberlain, anyone?).

Did we do 'bad' things during that war? Sure. Allying with a murdering Commie like Stalin was probably the worst, yet at the time it was necessary.

You're all in martial arts. Would you hesitate to kill an evil person, let's say, someone trying to rape your daughter? I wouldn't. Is that so far removed from deciding to go to war against the Taliban, Al Qaida, Saddam Hussein, or Hitler? Not really. It's just a matter of degree, of scale.

I'm proud of what our countries, the UK and the USA, have done and are doing in Iraq and Afghanistan. Those were both direct results of 9/11, a necessary move to deal with evil.