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One punch kill 4 Months, 1 Week ago  
http://stevemorris.livejournal.com/




The Steve Morris article ‘Shazzam! About my superpowers’ really does catch that illusive concept that virtually all Karateka refer to. To make it through a self-defence street encounter this article gives the understanding that will help prepare ‘You’ for that encounter.

Real Karate (and other striking martial arts) has always advocated the concept of the ‘One punch kill’. It is a possibility and Steve Morris has set the process down on paper in ‘A little note on the ‘one-punch kill…

A brilliant read

Regards Dennis
 
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Re:One punch kill 4 Months, 1 Week ago  
I know this doesn't have much to do with what ur saying so i apologise but ur title raises another very interesting discussion. That is that blasted one punch kill campaign being drilled into our heads.

You see wat gets me is its the political types advocating it who have never been punched in their life condoning something they know nothing about ARGHHHH!!!!!

Wat does everyone else think of it and heres the link if u have no idea wat im talking about http://www.police.qld.gov.au/programs/personalSafety/situationalAdvice/onePunch.htm


 
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Re:One punch kill 4 Months, 1 Week ago  
Hi Leeman

The link means nothing to me. No doubt the 'Police/Government'got the title for their initiative from the old Kung Fu films! However, I believe what people really need is justice and we're short of it over here!

Martial artists (and people in general) need to be longer suffering. Ignoring taunts and insults by walking away and so on is our first line of defence.

Protecting your life and that of those you care about is natural. And there is no law that stops you from doing that.

In the UK society has trouble trying to keep its youths under control. It is at a loss as to what to do about it...So if you can't avoid trouble by ignoring, walking or even running away from the trouble makers-I feel it is much better to be prepared and (some of) your training must be up to it. Getting caught out and badly hurt or even killed because of a lack of preparation is something to be avoided.

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Re:One punch kill 4 Months, 1 Week ago  
In the UK society has trouble trying to keep its youths under control. It is at a loss as to what to do about it...So if you can't avoid trouble by ignoring, walking or even running away from the trouble makers-I feel it is much better to be prepared and (some of) your training must be up to it. Getting caught out and badly hurt or even killed because of a lack of preparation is something to be avoided.

Here here Dennis.

Its obviously not every young person but there is a complete lack of respect for authority from some kids.
 
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Re:One punch kill 4 Months, 1 Week ago  
Dennis Jones wrote:
http://stevemorris.livejournal.com/




The Steve Morris article ‘Shazzam! About my superpowers’ really does catch that illusive concept that virtually all Karateka refer to. To make it through a self-defence street encounter this article gives the understanding that will help prepare ‘You’ for that encounter.

Real Karate (and other striking martial arts) has always advocated the concept of the ‘One punch kill’. It is a possibility and Steve Morris has set the process down on paper in ‘A little note on the ‘one-punch kill…

A brilliant read

Regards Dennis


Thanks for putting the link up Dennis, it was an interesting read. Also like the stuff you put on youtube of you hitting the heavy bag.
 
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Re:One punch kill 4 Months, 1 Week ago  
I'm a little confused about the topic of the thread--youth, street survival, or philosophy of effective MA techniques, since all seem to have made it in. And admittedly, I didn't check all the links provided, so I may be totally off base.

But going merely from the thread title, my response would be in line with the bunkai revolutionaries (Iain Abernethy, Kane & Wilder, John Titchen, Bill Burgar, etc.), one of whose tenets is, every move must be able to end the fight. I think ending the fight is the goal, not whether it's with a fatal move.
 
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Re:One punch kill 4 Months, 1 Week ago  
Hi Trailblazer

it was the link 'Leeman' put up that got me off tangent!

Perhaps if we can focus on a point that Steve Morris talks about- might be a good place to start. Ending a fight or perhaps not being around one is the goal... The Bubishi also labours this point.

Regards Dennis

Thanks Steve I'm glad you enjoyed them.
 
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Re:One punch kill 4 Months, 1 Week ago  
Dennis Jones wrote:
Hi Trailblazer

it was the link 'Leeman' put up that got me off tangent!

Perhaps if we can focus on a point that Steve Morris talks about- might be a good place to start. Ending a fight or perhaps not being around one is the goal... The Bubishi also labours this point.

Regards Dennis

Thanks Steve I'm glad you enjoyed them.

Hey Dennis,

Thanks for clarifying for me. Sometimes I can be pretty out of step.
 
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Re:One punch kill 4 Months, 1 Week ago  
Firstly sorry mate for going off topic and apologies for not making myself clear. I know on the street many youths are out of control (myself being 17) wat I am concerned about is how protective this 'saying' is making people in the MA business and in general.

For example tonight I went to kickboxing and I must've been hit at least 12 hard rockers straight to the head. Most nights this happens and I am quite healthy (I think ) and the point im trying to make out is yes, we should avoid alcohol related violence and raise a higher level of awareness but it shouldn't be hurling abuse at every person who pratices fighting or 'unneeded violence' in the community; especially where i reside in QLD, Australia.

Also I'm concerned how it is only targeted at 15-25 year olds when it is a problem for all ages, I mean come on we get enough humilation by the local newspapers making out that we are aggresive outcasts without these 'programs' aimed against us.

Anyone wanna comment
 
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Re:One punch kill 4 Months, 1 Week ago  
Just wanna comment on the one punch kill thing, then i'll read the Steve article properly and comment again as there is another thread that mentions that article I wish to comment on.

One hit kill... Does happen you can train yourself to find it. Karate is about finding the 1 hit to end a confrontation. Training for it doesn't always mean you will find it and also doesn't mean you will kill the person.

A nice timed gaku zuki in the sternum would have a good chance of killing someone if they were pretty weak in that area but typically a punch on the chin would only kill you if it ripped your neck badly and broke it and even then it might not kill.
You more likely to die when you fall after a knockout blow...

There's always this thing about pressure points like chopping or punching the throat, could collapse the airway and kill someone but unlikely. Most of the time these strikes just immobalise the opponent so you off and away from the situation.

Anyone could get that lucky punch and of course depending on a humans resistance and strength will determine how much damage it will cause.
 
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Re:One punch kill 4 Months, 1 Week ago  
Hi Leeman

You’re are right a lot of youngster get a lot of unfair and underserved publicity, but it was the same when I was 17 and that was a long time ago! I think that there is an element of the generation gap coming into play with this one.

In the UK there is a problem with gangs of youths. They are in a minority…but that’s another thread in itself LOL.

Leeman I would be concerned if you’re getting hit that hard and often in the head. An old friend of mine runs a local ABC boxing club and they don’t train like that. They do tons of fighting drills and lots of fight related CV work. Have a look at some of Steve Morris’s fighting drills; they are very helpful for the fighting aspect of traditional martial arts...etc.

Ryusui I agree but I suppose it’s down to what is called ‘Gaku Zuku’. Its names again-here is a link of me doing gaku zuku on a very heavy punch bag. (The first part is a fight I filmed when I was bouncing-the force of the crowd pushed me back into the doorway!)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8TYI3ClpP9c&feature=related

Regards Dennis
 
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Re:One punch kill 4 Months, 1 Week ago  
Dennis... What exactly are your clips trying to show?? Was you involved in the fights in the clips? or was you just displaying an example of a fight?

Is that display filmed outside Horsted college by any chance? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SIM-M8fG2No&NR=1
 
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