SteveBruce wrote:


Ouch! There must be a story to this?
Not really, just an operation.
Femoral artey is a big one though.
You don't want to get cut there.

Still looks painful and no I wouldn't want to be cut there!

Reminds me of when I talk about having both my jaws being broken and as I do martial arts, people seem to have all sorts of images in their head about what must have happened. That is until I point out that it was an operation.

Real world citation re death by femoral artery trauma;

Emergency treatment.

mule wrote:

Not really, just an operation.
Femoral artey is a big one though.
You don't want to get cut there.

There's a very good reason the Roman army was taught to aim for the neck and the groin

mule wrote:
[quote]This lot is typical of the bollocks being taught in MA schools;



hell man, this guy is crazy.... backing off on the same line the attacker is striking on... some1 should tell him ppl can go faster forward than back he's gonna get his ass stabbed

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t1JOhuuaYpg

Worth watching again! Funny to non-martial artists - hard-hitting satire for martial artists

WT? Why are they dressed like Neo Nazis?

Front page story for Glasgow;

Man dies and four hurt in Samurai sword battle in Glasgow street
http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/2008/07/29/man-dies-and-four-hurt-in-samurai-sword-battle-in-glasgow-street-86908-20675687/

A MAN was killed as rival gangs armed with blades, including a Samurai sword, clashed in a terrifying street fight.

Police were last night probing the murder of Charles Bowman, 32, who was dead on arrival at hospital after the bloody battle on Sunday night.

Four other men were injured as the two gangs clashed in a normally quiet street in the east end of Glasgow.

One of them was Douglas Tennent, 37, who innocently stopped to offer help and was stabbed four times in the face in front of his terrified family - including his three-year-old daughter Charli.

Locals in Carmyle, Glasgow, believe the battle was between rival gangs from the area and the nearby Westburn area of Cambuslang, where murder victim Charles lived.

In Westburn last night, tributes were being left at his home by grieving friends and family.

A Rangers flag hung over a car in his driveway, with messages and tributes from his loved ones.

In the main street of Westburn, a makeshift memorial was created with Old Firm shirts, scarves and flags all bearing tributes.

One message read: "Goodbye Uncle Chick. Rest in Peace."

Police said last night: "Police were called to a report of a largescale disturbance in Carmyle Avenue near to Gardenside Avenue. On arrival, they found five men injured.

"The men were all taken to local hospitals. The 32-year-old man was pronounced dead on arrival.

"The four other men are being treated for their injuries."

It is believed police were already on the scene when Douglas was attacked.

One witness said: "This is a peaceful street and nothing like this ever happens here.

"Two cars full of men came screeching into the street.

"Then they all jumped out with bottles, baseball bats, knives and bricks and started laying into each other. The battle went on for about half an hour and by the time the police arrived there were guys lying bleeding in the street.

"Then a car came into the street, driven by a man with a female passenger and a kid in the back.

"He stopped and rolled down his window.

"Some guy who looked as if he had just been watching then sauntered over to the car, as if he was going to speak to the driver.

"The next thing I noticed was the woman jumping out of the car screaming that her husband had been stabbed.

"When his attacker ran away, I saw there was blood everywhere and he was in a really bad state."

Douglas's partner Patricia Bradley was too upset to speak last night at their home just a few streets from the scene of the battle.

His sister Janice said he was having surgery last night on his face and added: "His hand was also damaged when he lifted it to try to protect his face so he'll probably need more surgery.

"We're really shocked about what has happened, especially in such a quiet place."

A source close to the family said: "We think the guy with the knife has taken him for someone else and thought he was winding down his window to get involved."

'They all jumped out with bottles, bats and knives and layed into each other'

How long will it be until this kinda of thing spreads into more peaceful area's and people are helpless?? How long will it take for good people to turn against these people because they are sick of being scared and bullied.

Gangs are already fighting, whats to say that neighbourhoods won't start getting violent to protect their streets and families??

Innocent people getting mutilated and killed is not something people will take for very long, especially from younger kids.

Whats the answer? The is no cure now, all we can do is try to prevent the future generations growing into this mentality which I am sad to say isn't working very well at all in the present.

Hello everyone

Again it seems my internet connection is very slow and rare today because it's the second time I wrote a reply and I lost it I'm almost crazy.. but I will try to reconstruct my post...

My idea in the truth about knives is "there is NOT true about knives" because every single case is different, and every situation is different too... that's why this is a very common topic in EVERY martial art or selfprotection forum on internet.

Of course there're some basics principles and point about knife attacks and situations, one of the best rules I ever read is "knifes cut flesh, ALWAYS" and you must put in mind when training against a blade.

In my opinion there're some common scenarios, such as:

* Knife against knife: This is a very rare scenario but not uncommon, here the FMA practitioners have advantage

* Knife against another weapons: More common and usual if you use improvised weapons (one of the best defenses against knifes). Here enter knife vs sticks, chairs, ashtrays, etc

* Knife against hands: The most common (although you're a knife user) and most studied on martial arts, unfortunately from a wrong point of view almost all the time...

If you remember the rule I mentioned before, the training progression must be from knife - improvised weapon - hand and not the opposite (like many traditional martial arts) because you ALWAYS can obtain an improvised weapon and it's preferred to use it than hands (W.E. Fairbarns, the father of WWII Combatives once said "there's not defense against a knife"

If you train the third situation also there're simple rules in order to survive, but the main idea is: you SURVIVE against a knife attack, you don’t WIN; and one have to put that mindset in the training, it’s a survival game, not a fighting game…

The general concepts I use are:

• Move out from the line of attack: This is easier to say than to do but… you always must to follow it
• Control the weapon hand/arm: Or “delivery system” as some people named, this is the more difficult thing but not impossible.
• Finish the threat: Via breaking the arm/wrist; striking the guy, etc
• Go away… and very fast: This is the difference between self protection and assassination

Of course, there’re MANY ideas about how to accomplish the concepts, I prefer to strike every time I have a chance, and to control the head/spine of the attacker, but some other people have another ideas…

Also, as mule posted, there’re some myths regarding knife wounds/stabs that aren’t true, like the “one stab one death” “train to get cut” etc; the main thing here is “you MUST train as real as you can” because the 99% of the TMA techniques DON’T WORK against a real street attack because they’re “dojo techniques” that’s they only work on a controlled environment like the dojo and against a compliant partner…

Again my 5 cents on a topic, excuse my English and my internet connection… take care to all

What a GREAT thread! I haven't had time to look at all of the videos, but I plan to! Forgive me if someone already said this, but I heard/read this statement somewhere, and can't remember where, so consider it a paraphrase: "In a knife fight, the winner drips, and the loser gushes." And actually, all combatants involved could be losers. It's quite easy, in say, a one-on-one knife fight, for both parties to be fatally wounded. One may die before the other, but both are at the least going to be cut.

I live in a fairly violent city, and I carry a handgun and a knife. I train to run away first, and failing that, to put distance between me and my attacker(s) as I draw the gun. Then I fire at the center of mass, and keep firing until the bad guy goes down. The knife is there purely as a backup, as are the striking/grappling techniques of my martial art. I figure if I need to defend myself, I've already failed so I may as well do it with as much force as possible (to ensure that I live long enough for the trial!).

I am currently shopping for a 'tactical folder' which has a 'pocket hook' on the back of the blade. What I want is for the blade to snap open when I remove it from my pocket, and for it to be in the 'ice pick' grip that I favor for knife fighting, without having to shift the blade in my grip after it opens. Currently I carry a SpyderCo tactical folder knife, a Spyderco Caly 3, with a G-10 Handle. I can open it with one hand, but then I have to switch the grip to get to the 'ice-pick' (or 'reverse'?) grip that I like. And of course the problem is that in combat, you lose almost all fine motor skills so I have not much confidence that I'd be able to reverse the grip quickly without dropping it or something equally foolish.

Thanks for making thread pointless.